PIV is always rape, ok?

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m assuming PIV stands for Penis In Vagina or some variation on that.

I have one simple question to ask. If as you say, PIV isn’t natural, and is in fact rape, and shouldn’t happen, how do you propose (without going into too much gory detail) we propagate the species? You still need components (for use of a better word) from both a male and a female person.

Also, if we all stopped doing things that aren’t “natural” to us tomorrow, how many of you will be walking naked to work tomorrow? Driving isn’t natural, wearing clothes isn’t natural, we’re born naked. I’m playing devils advocate here, and yes my examples above seem a bit flippant, but it doesn’t make them any less true.

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Just to recall a basic fact: Intercourse/PIV is always rape, plain and simple.

This is a developed recap from what I’ve been saying in various comments here and there in the last two years or so. as a radfem I’ve always said PIV is rape and I remember being disappointed to discover that so few radical feminists stated it clearly. How can you possibly see it otherwise? Intercourse is the very means through which men oppress us, from which we are not allowed to escape, yet some instances of or PIV and intercourse may be chosen and free? That makes no sense at all.

First, well intercourse is NEVER sex for women. Only men experience rape as sexual and define it as such. Sex for men is the unilateral penetration of their penis into a woman (or anything else replacing and symbolising the female orifice) whether she thinks she wants…

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  1. #1 by ramendik on December 22, 2013 - 4:22 am

    I wonder, why do you bother debating this issue with them? Especially in these terms?

    There is no danger from this teaching except if they make it to the political arena and try to crimilalize “PIV”, but they don’t have an ally to do it with. The *only* reason TERF is a danger is because they act as enablers for RIght-wing transphobes,

    • #2 by oopster74 on December 22, 2013 - 2:40 pm

      Of course you’re right, but I can’t just sit back and do nothing while they spread their bile and bullshit.

      • #3 by ramendik on December 22, 2013 - 4:54 pm

        I do think that sometimes sitting back and doing nothing is exactly the right response to bile and bullshit.

        Namely. when the bile and bullshit is just marginal nonsense spread within a narrow echo chamber and any involvement simply helps spread it.

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