What’s good for the goose – update

Wiki page for Cathy – http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cathy_Brennan

Photos of the “lovely” woman herself – http://www.flickr.com/photos/92479416@N08/sets/72157632572665484/

And details of where she works – http://www.hudco.com/profile.cfm?section_id=2&attorney_id=51 – you might have to manually type the link in as it keep redirecting to google on my laptop.

Her employers take great pride in providing “Consumer financial services law and privacy law are what we do.”

I think they might be interested to know how she spends her spare time outing transpeople, putting their safety, their lives in risk.

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Number 1  (as in, the 1st entrant ) in the bigots gallery “Cathy Brennan” aka bugbrennan of the radfems. Couldn’t hold a valid argument if you gave her something to hold it in.

The YouTube video shows some of what happened before / as Brennan was “attacked”, no wonder police forces round the world can’t cope.
Is “are you fucking kidding me?” the only words in her vocabulary?

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  1. #1 by aerynxv on July 22, 2012 - 5:22 pm

    It is clear to me that the brennan is extremely unhappy, and ruminates on hcis trans-exterminationist cud 24/7. In keeping with hcis history of Bipolar d/o, and the vast effort hcis puts into hcis agenda, I am hopeful the anger/stress hcis puts hcis-self through, we will see a rapid ageing and acceleration of HTN, Type 2 DM, and CVD. Additionally, this has to be terrible on hcis psyche and well-being. With life based on h8, how much quality can one expect. I applaud the spurring efforts that drive the brennan and hcis h8 brigade to fight ever more intensely. Hcis will ultimately prove hcis own worst-enemy. Keep up the good work! 😉

  2. #2 by A friend on July 22, 2012 - 5:30 pm

    I like Cathy Brennan.

    • #3 by oopster74 on July 22, 2012 - 5:45 pm

      I can’t imagine why, she seems like a thoroughly horrible person, with zero respect for anyone else.

  3. #4 by A.Q. on July 22, 2012 - 6:20 pm

    I agree with everything that Cathy endorses. She’s a genius, and women born women are so lucky to have such an educated, passionate, well spoken person who is brave enough to speak up on a regular basis.

    • #5 by oopster74 on July 22, 2012 - 6:45 pm

      She can speak up for herself and others like her all she wants, that’s her right, but she is actively trying to remove the rights of trans people, outing anyone that objects to what she says, and I think the video shows how “well spoken” she is, when she doesn’t let another persons voice be heard, and simply shouts louder and louder over them.

      For the record, EVERYONE is born as a child, NO-ONE is born man or a woman.

  4. #6 by aerynxv on July 22, 2012 - 7:07 pm

    The sock-puppet army of TERF’s wasted no time replying. It’s like a dance; and they never disappoint!

    • #7 by oopster74 on July 22, 2012 - 7:10 pm

      Can you please clarify your posting?

    • #8 by KittyBarber on January 9, 2013 - 9:47 pm

      You can’t be serious. Biology is biology, and some are born female and others are born male. This is how humans reproduce. You aren’t really serious are you?

      • #9 by oopster74 on January 9, 2013 - 10:50 pm

        Serious about what exactly? The world isn’t as black and white as that, otherwise we’d all come out of the womb looking like factory clones of each other.

  5. #10 by A.Q. on July 22, 2012 - 7:15 pm

    Oopster74, I get what you are saying, have compassion for people who are different than I am and still disagree with so many tenants of what you are saying. First, in terms of Cathy being well spoken, she is extremely well spoken and is so on a regular basis, so citing one time where there were high emotions isn’t a good tactic for saying that one is not well spoken. How we are born, which body we are born in deserves utmost respect and a certain kind of respect from people who were not born with said body. Some things can never be understood without having been experienced from birth. No matter the compassion, academic understanding, perceived understanding from whatever experiences one has had…nothing can replace, compete with, or equal having been treated and raised a certain way since birth, and even before that–since the parents know the gender of the baby. One’s early years effect us permanently for life, so much that a mtf does not equal a woman born woman, only a mtf. This isn’t to say you are above or below anyone, just different and this difference needs to be acknowledged and respect by not arguing the irrefutable facts that what body we are born with effects us permanently. This is something so basic that some people find it absurd one would argue it, subsequently get very frustrated, and then emotional. Hope this helps.

    • #11 by oopster74 on July 22, 2012 - 7:35 pm

      How you posted your reply, is how to post a reply, in a sensible way, showing respect for others, even when you disagree with their viewpoint. Yes women that grew up as girls had a different experience that transwomen who grew up as boys and vice versa for ftm’s, however, that does not mean that transwomen are any less women than cis women (sorry if you don’t like that phrase, but we all know what it means). Cathy is making sweeping statements regarding all transpeople, outing them left right and centre, and she should know better as a lesbian that there are lots of people who would love nothing more than to see us all dead, because to those idiots (you know the type, the right-wing gun-toting lot) we are just a bunch of queers, and they make no disctinction

      I’m not “only an anything”, neither are you. We all have our own experiences which makes us unique, and just because it’s your opinion or someone else’s opinion that I’m not a “vaild woman”, doesn’t mean I’m going to stop being who I am.

      I have asked Cathy to remove the photo of me from her blog which she took from my Facebook profile, and she refused, and she has been nothing but abusive towards me, and then acts all shocked and victimised if I treat her in a similar way.

      I see no redeeming evidence of her character, and doubt that I ever will.

  6. #12 by aerynxv on July 22, 2012 - 7:42 pm

    Certainly. You are getting traffic directed here by brennan supporters, most likely because one of them found your original post, passed it on to others, and now “they will come not as single spies but as entire battalions”. Eventually, this will be reblogged onto a number of radfem blogs. It is an oft repeated cycle, hence “the dance”. It is important to never reply to them directly, as they thrive on conflict. Additionally, do not say anything that can be taken out of context when they quote a single sentence of any reply. If you DO directly engage, then you are participating in their dance.

    Again, it is important to reiterate that Julie Bindel has evolved in her views, and she should be the leader we work together with, we must not empower the hostile fringe.

    Finally, there is no reason TO engage in the dance. We know the biological essentialist arguments, the “lived-experience” arguments, and the appropriation arguments. They think we cannot understand, but we simply do not believe them.

    • #13 by oopster74 on July 22, 2012 - 7:57 pm

      Well they’re actually doing me a favour by bringing traffic to the blog, so they lose.

    • #14 by oopster74 on July 22, 2012 - 8:08 pm

      We all have different experiences. By saying that a certain event is for women-born-female, implies that transwomen aren’t good enough to attend, and are less-than women. I didn’t want to attend Radfem 2012, I doubt many trans people would want to, but that fact that they we’re saying we weren’t allowed, is the same as saying we are less than women.

      A couple of years ago, I went to a lesbian women’s group, I was welcomed, everyone was nice, respectful, all the things you’d want. As someone who’s post-op trans, I was more than welcome to attend the group, but when I suddenly realised that their policy didn’t allow pre-op trans women to attend, I suddenly felt very unwelcome, and I emailed them later that night explaining that while that policy was in place, I wouldn’t feel happy attending the group. I got a very nice email back (no sarcasm there, it was a very nice reply, the details of which I can’t remember). I know that the only difference between me being pre and post op was simply what was housed in my underwear. No one at the group was going to see my parts, no one there was likely too, and I doubt that if they changed their policy to included all transwomen (and by this I do mean transsexual women who have every intention to fully transition / have surgery unless they are medicaly unable to), that they would get a suddent rush of transwomen, but how is any post-op transwoman going to feel that one day they’re not welcome in the group, and the next day they are, how would you feel in that same situation?

      My problem is with Cathy, and anyone who acts the way she does and treats others the way they do, but fwiw, this attitude seems more prevalent your side of the pond, with more accepting attitudes by people this side.

      At the end of the day, all any of us want is that bit of mutual respect, to feel safe, and live a happy life, but some people are only happy when others are miserable.

  7. #15 by A.Q. on July 22, 2012 - 7:51 pm

    See, I think that many people, even the gun toting lot, does make a distinction between lesbians/gays and transgender people.

    I really appreciate your first paragraph because I feel like for the first time in a printed interaction with a mtf trans, there is an open acknowledgement that how we are treated from birth has permanent ramifications on us.

    So is your problem more with Cathy or women born women who don’t want to include trans mtf in all areas of their life and conversation?

    On the premise that how we are born makes us inherently different and in a sense permanently different in many ways, do you from your experiences and understanding thus far believe that there are times when women born women want separate space and by the fact that each group is entitled to separate space just by the fact that we need to sometimes be with and only with those whose experiences are the same from the start?

    Do you think that there are times when mtf might be entitled to only mtf time with no one else?

    Thanks for answering all of my questions. I am seriously interested in a dialogue where I can see what you think to the above scenarios.

  8. #16 by aerynxv on July 22, 2012 - 8:28 pm

    American Trans and TERFs are all more brutal in discourse than in the UK, but this is a function of our culture. I am sure there is a sociology paper out there somewhere to dissect this; keep in mind there is a stereotypic “British” tendency toward “understatement” from our perspective, most evident in Brit Humor.

    I have not seen “lesbians” being transphobic or trans-exclusionary in the real world. The “battle” between Lesbians and Trans only seems to exist in the minds of fringe radfems. The brennan has appropriated ALL lesbians into this imaginary crusade without their consent. Brennan supporters tend to parrot this activity, and magnify their numbers through the magic of sockpuppetry. I find it important to dismiss them as the hate-group they are, and to work with other radical feminists who do not share brennan’s agenda.

    As far as separate space for wbw, I cannot say any of the trans people I know have any interest in their music festivals or there meetings any more than attending a Klan rally. If hate is the topic they revel in, let them do it AWAY from the civilized people. I think the only place this is problematic is in the bathroom. This issue is a hard one to just concede, and so we cannot concede bathroom rights. It is almost immaterial though, I have never had a problem using the women’s restroom. Unfortunately, some trans women catch flak for this. It is an insoluble problem insofar as no negotiation will solve it; it can only be solved by lobbying the lawmakers to respect trans civil rights.

    • #17 by oopster74 on July 22, 2012 - 8:33 pm

      The bathroom issue is simple, women’s toilets are all cubicles, so you go in, do your business, wash and dry your hands, leave. If you do anything like attacking someone, the law is there to deal with it, simples.

  9. #18 by aerynxv on July 22, 2012 - 9:04 pm

    Oh dear, it seems that silly boy with Kallman’s syndrome who is saving the world from the trans-appropriation of “intersex” has noted this page. Apparently he was “harassed” by you in the comments of an intersex article for having asked him to use correct pronouns. I know it’s “OT” but as I said, the dance continues!

  10. #19 by oopster74 on July 22, 2012 - 9:12 pm

    Only two comments so far have not been approved by me (you know who you are), but one of them brought up “showering with 13 year old girls”, hey bigot, I don’t like showering with anyone, I don’t like getting changed around anyone, never have, and probably never will, so why don’t you take your ignorant bigoted stereotypes and shove them in the same place that ignorant bigoted stereotypes about radical feminists should be too, somewhere in the last century, where they didn’t belong either.

  11. #20 by aerynxv on July 22, 2012 - 9:20 pm

    My understanding is there is an “urban legend” about a shower room incident at the MichFest. While the story was debunked, it continues to be given life as a golem by the fringe. It never ceases to amaze me, all the hypothetical horrors they can dream up. One does wonder why they have chosen transphobia as their sole platform? Do they not care as much about the real plight of women as confronted by actual feminists? Generally, they would see this as an appropriation of Feminism itself, but really, SOMEBODY has to take up the slack they create with their single-minded crusade. Perhaps they should be called Slackfems?

    • #21 by oopster74 on July 22, 2012 - 9:22 pm

      “Perhaps they should be called Slackfems?”

      Oh please don’t, the images that is conjuring up in my head are not the kinds of images I want lol

  12. #22 by the box you wish you had. on July 22, 2012 - 11:14 pm

    If you want to be a woman why don’t you cut your willy off? You’re just a pervy straight dude who likes wearing frocks.

    • #23 by oopster74 on July 22, 2012 - 11:18 pm

      Why don’t you do some homework, some research on the surgery involved, I’ll help you out, type in “vaginoplasty” into a search engine, and while you’re at it, ask, before assuming you know what the situation is.

  13. #24 by aerynxv on July 22, 2012 - 11:25 pm

    I did not mean to give you visuals; but I find them pretty loathsome, so anything you envisioned I’m sure pales by comparison to how I view them. The most encouraging thing, however, is that, as Paris Lee said, they are on the losing side of history. The TG/TS umbrella, sans a few vocal ‘wbt’, is gaining strength, and the trickle of otherwise butch lesbians becoming trans men has become a raging river. The endless spite and backlash is that of the cornered animal, casting about for support while it bleeds out its “natural base”. True, a few “new” fringe cases have closed ranks, and speak of the “Peak Trans” Great White Buffalo, but in the end the true core of their cadre grows ever more old. As they die off, and we gain numbers exponentially, this problem will self-correct. The future is so bright, I must wear shades!

    • #25 by oopster74 on July 22, 2012 - 11:34 pm

      What they don’t get though, is the “butch lesbians” who transition, we’re never really lesbians. They either knew or suspected for a while they we’re trans, or they realised later in life after believing they we’re lesbians or trying to not transition. I read someone on a blog today that a lot of transwomen (not the language they used) will be in the military doing really dangerous and masculine stuff, erm yeah you idiots. If you’re trying to deny that your a transwoman, you’ll tend to go so far in the perceived opposite direction, in fact with me and my friends, that’s one of the joke diagnostic tests, the other being an interest in sci-fi, computers and motorbikes (I’m sure there we’re two others, but I can’t remember them right now).

      They really do show themselves up as the ignorant idiots that they are.

  14. #26 by aerynxv on July 22, 2012 - 11:40 pm

    That fringe radical knows full well what “vaginoplasty” is, though doubtless they call it something vulgar. Remember, these trollz find there way here not at all by accident. Remember also they come as a sockpuppet legion, often even to the extent of altering proxies between attacks. The goal for me is to keep their anger flared; keep their stress hormones pumping out into their otherwise inactive bodies. Mobilizing fat reservoirs for “fight or flight” that then do NOT get used by muscle, and instead clog arteries. Increasing their Insulin resistance, and the end-glycosylation of their extra-celluar proteins (caramelization). Triggering painful migraines, and tense neck and shoulder muscles. Interrupting sleep patterns, and just in general causing a psychic malaise. It’s soooo easy to do, they do all the hard work!

  15. #27 by aerynxv on July 22, 2012 - 11:45 pm

    I was amused by their horrified reaction to the idea of trans-lesbians having FAAB partners. It seems they feel they have the need to police other people’s relationships. Truthfully, I have never been rebuffed by a partner for being trans, nor has this happened to any of my trans-lesbian friends. That the fringe h8rz feel they can influence this dynamic is the height of grandiose delusion. Nevertheless, if they want to spend all their time convincing a few lesbians to reject trans-women, at least they are not able to marshal their resources to try to “morally mandate” the medical establishment to cease treating trans people. Not that they could really turn the tide at this late date.

  16. #28 by oopster74 on August 7, 2012 - 11:04 pm

    Well, WordPress has had to removed the photo of Brennan from my blog, but you can still see it here http://pretendbian.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/813/#comments on her blog.

  17. #29 by aerynxv on August 7, 2012 - 11:10 pm

    Amazing the amount of time the waaahdfems spend patrolling teh interwebz and posting their bile. Still, even here in a college town, I NEVER see their ilk in the real world. Or, put another way, I never catch grief for being transsexual. Of course, I am not remotely active in feminist politics nor am I a lesbian. If I DID encounter their rhetoric in my sphere, I would remove them from it posthaste.

  18. #30 by oopster74 on January 20, 2013 - 11:31 pm

    For anyone still following this post, it’s been updated above.

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